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failure of communication between the state department, the pentagon and libya. hicks confirmed forces were available in tripoli, but were told to stand down before they could mount a rescue effort. >> we determined at we need to send a second team from tripoli to secure the airport for the withdraw of our personnel from benghazi ter the mortar attack. >> but were any of these u.s. military personnel not permitted to travel on a rescue mission or relief mission to benghazi? >> they were not authorized to travel >> what happened with those personnel? >> they remained in tripoli with us. >> we also learned hicks was never contacted by u.n. ambassador susan rice before she went on five separate sunday morning talk shows to deliver what turned out to bealse talking points on the protest sparked by an anti-islam video.

hicks said everyone on the ground that day was aware from the get-go, he put it, tha it was a terrorist attack. >> so fast-forward, mr. hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video. in fact, s did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw drpped. and i was embarrassed. >> did she talk to you before she went on the five sunday talk shows? >> no, sir. >> you were the highest rankin official in libya at the time, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and she did not bother to have a conversation with you before she went on national television? >> no, si >> hicks added that the president of libya was furious after the ambassador rice

appearances because he went on those same sunday talk shows and he described the attack as a preplanned terror attack. according to hicks, mohamed al magraf felt embarrassed and delayed the fbi investigators from going to benazi, a delay of 17 to 18 days. oversight committee member congreman trey gotti was one of those questioning witnesses today. he joins us in moments with his assessment of the extraordinary testimy which we heard. the benghazi whistle blowers themselves revealed new information about the events of september 11h, but they left a sizable number, a major question, unanswered. among those questions, why did the obama administration insist upon carrying out a media campaign to blame the deadly attacks on the amateur producer of a poorly produced youtube video, lampooning mohammed and

muslims. james rosen has e report. >> reporter: every piece of inrmation we get as w got it we laid it out for the american people. >> if any administration official innluding any career official had been on television on sunday, september 16th, they would have said theame thing that ambassador rice had said. >> reporter: those statements about what the obama administration knew when u.n. ambassador susan rice appeared on the sunday shows of september 16 came under fresh assault. >> did you report to anyonein washington within the first couple of days that there was anything in connection -- a protest in connection to a youtube video? >> no, the only report that our mission made through every channel was that there had been an attack on a consulate. >> not a protest?t? >> no protest. >> reporter: further evidence that mr. obama's aides knew rice's narrative was falseame when a gop lawmaker read from a previously undiscled e-mail

that beth jones, acting assistant secretary of state for the middle east, sent on seember 12th, about her discussions with the libyan ambassador. >> this is from miss jones to you, to counsel for hillary clinton, to victoria nuland, to mr. kennedy and i'm going to read from it. when he id his gornment suspected that former gadhafi regime elements carried out the attacks, i told him that the group that conducted the attacks, ansar al sharia, is affiliated with islamic terrorists. >> reporter: on september 14th, a cia document first published in the may 13 issue of the weekly stanrd, likewise stated we do know that islamic extremists withties to al qaeda participated in the attack. yet rice and other senior u.s. officials far from putting out ery piece of informationas they got it continued to press the false narrative. >> our initial information and that includes all information,

we saw no evidence to back up claims by others that this was a preplanned or premeditated attack. >> i wish i could sit here today and tell you that within days, within a week, by september 20th, when we came up here, we had a clear picture. we did not have a clear picture. >> reporter: another newly unveiled e-mail was sent on 9/11 by mark thompson, the operations officer at the state department's counterterrorism bureau, with the u.s.nnex in benghazi about to face mortar fire, thompson wrote to patrick kennedy deputy wondering why the undersecretary had swiftly rejected the option that the fbi and theefense department special operations command had recommended that night, the deployment of the foreign emergency support team or fest. >> you wrote, quote, pat kennedy participated in a senior conference call withhthe white hous and discouraged fest on option. the fbi responded this situation would be better addressed via a fest response. why was fest not called into action? >> i do not know.

>> reporter: this week, thompson's former boss, daniel benjamin, said the decision not to deploy fest was the correct one, but the day after the attacks thompson wrote in an e-mail to two colleagues -- >> daniel benjamin on the phone this morning, he understands my fest point, concurs, but expressed his pessimism regarding our deployment and by extension does not intend to lobby for our inclion. end quote. >> reporter: in a five-page point by point rebuttal released late tuesday night, a senior state departnt official argued that fest could not have arrived in libya in time to help the besieged amerins, lou. >> and could not have known that they would not, whicheaves open the question ththat is her that is why they were not dispatched, ofourse. james, further news made after the committeeearing today, tell us about that. >> that'right. the chairman of this committee hearing, darrelissa, the republican from california, the ranking democrat, elijah cummings from maryland, after

the hearing they spoke to reporters andtherein congressman cummings, the democrat, aknowledged for the first time he now agrees with chairman issa that this panel needs to hear directly in testimony, sworn testimony, from the two men who led the state department's post benghazi review board. form u.n. ambassador tom pickering and the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, admiral mike mullen. today, the committee released a pair of letters they sent to ese two men back in february, asking them to testify witnesses, they decled. lou? >> they declined. and that's quite a reversal for elijah cummings, who at the beginning of this day was absolutely adamant in rejecting this hearing because he believ was utterly and politically movated. thank you, james rosen, tstanding reporting hroughout this story. we appreciate it. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen. congressman trey gowdy as you

heard in tonight's broadcast is one of the senior members of the house oversight committee. and he made this statement as today's hearing began. >> if anyone wants to know what differences it makes, if anyone wants ask what fference does it make, it always matters. whether or not you can trust your government. and to the families, we're going to find out what happened in benghazi and i don't care whose career is impacted. we're going to find out what happened. >> congressman trey gowdy now joins us. in addition to the house oversight commtee, he also sits on the judiciary committee and chairs the subcommittee on immigration and border security as well. quite a remarkable day, ngressman. it is good of you to be here. the criticisms that arose today were primarily, it seemed, fosed on secretary clinton, including yours. explain t if you wil

>> well, w what became clear toy is that ambassador stevens was in beeghazi in part because of hillary clinn. she wanted to go to libya. she wanted a legacy. he wanted to go to benghazi, a see if that facility was secure. we also learned today that she and e alone can approve the opening or the remaining open of facilities that don't meet specifications and the one in benghazi did not meet specifications and we learned today and that e-mail from beth jones which copied her senior counselor that they knew this waa terror-related atta on september 12t the day after. they knew it had nothing to do with a video. so hillary clinton's fingerprints are all over benghazi. >> and the fact they continued to press that. the was a -- there was quite a -- if you will, a divergence in story. as you recall, the presint, in

e midst of the campaign, later in debate decided he had declared it waserrorist attack, even after weeks in ich his administration and he we saying, again, this was about an anti-muslim video produced by a man who remains in jail today, on a violation of probation charge. can you square that up at this point? >> well, keep in mind, this was never about winning the aument with this administration, it was just about winning the month. they had to get from the time of benghazi past a general election. keep in mind the testimony today, by the way, from a career diplomat who doesn't have a political bone in his body, and gregory hicks, th video was a total nonevent. that's a direct quote. it was never about the video. the video had nothing do with this. the president didn't have to win the argument very long. he just had to win it until the first tuesday in november, and he id.

>> and it is worthwhile noting that cbs withheld for three weeks, just about three weeks, video from an interview that was conducted on the 12th, in which the president, indeed, acknowledged precisely what you say. ambassador pickering, admiral mullen, james ron just updated us on the conversation between elijah cumming and the chairman, darrell issa. is it -- is ambassador pickering and admiral mullen, will they be testifying before your committee? >> i sure hope . you know, lou, there was a lot of skepticism yesterd. i heard it. this was going to be a political exercise, that perhaps the republics wouldn't be prepared, i have never seen the oversight committee, my colleagues on the republican side of the dais as prepared and as engaged as ty were today. and it is impossible to have watched any part of this hearing and not reach the conclusion that we need additional

hearings. and you see the benefit of actually listening people who know what they're talking about, to eyewitness accounts. i don't want to hear political commentators. i don't want to hear members of congss. i want to hear people wth firsthand eyewitness accounts. so that would include the two men that you just made reference to. the accountability review board frankly, the word that leaps to mind is laughable. the notion that the state department can judge itself is no less preposterous than a student grading his own test paper. so congress needto do its job. today, think we proved even to our democrat colleagues that we can do it effectively and mr. cummings is a good person. i actually happen to like elijah cummings a i am pleased with what he said to chairman issa and jason chaffetz. he asked for five seconds during his time, and he said, you know what, i agree with you, i agree with you, we need to hear from

everybody. >> i have to y, i don't know that i've ever seen certainly a ranking member of a committee as important as the house oversight committee certainly be as declarative d as outspoken a he was in opposition to a proceeding and then based on obviously a reaction to what he heard from those three witnesses today me a judgment on principle, and intellectual integrity of the kind he's just named, saying the pickering and mullen should be beforehe committee. congressman -- >> kudos to him. >> absolutely. and to you. congressman trey gowdy, thank u for being here. >> thank you, lou. appreciate it. dow 15,000. new record highs for the dow, the s&p 500. it is a party on wall street. ubs chief economist morey h hars ubs chief economist morey h hars to talk about the rally

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my guest says the fed's quantitative easing is working better than is ofen, well, either stated or understood. and that economic growth this year should be better than most economists would expect. joining us now is chief u.s. economist for ubs investment research, maury harris. great to have you here. i guess we can wear these things. let's see how we look with this stuff. that's -- if you can read that. can you read that? dow 15,000. so, i mean, this wasn't supposed to happen in the minds of many because the market would be indicating this economy was going to slow to zero, nothing much would happen. a four-year bul market would get all tired and forget about 15,000. happy record day. >> well, that's right, lou.

and i think what's happening is that we're finding out that what the fed has done with this quantitative easing, expansion of their balance sheet has been more stimulative than a lot of people expected. >>quantitative easing, i hear everybody cussing ben beanke, but they keep sticking the fed's money in their pockets, don' they? >> well, you don't like bernanke if you were a saver and you had your money in a savings account. on the other hand, if you were stock investor, you're ing pretty good. >> and as you look at these -- all of the discussion by particularly the obama administration about stimulus, my lord, if this isn't stimulus, monetary policy terms,nothing uld be conceived of then as monetary stimulus. >> well, you know, lou, this is $85 billion a month in qe. how much the fed is pouring into the banking system and expanding its balance sheet, that sequester is supposed to be $85 billion a year.

d this is 85 billion. of course it is important. >> i want to show the folksn the control room, i i mean, i'm sure that they may not -- there they have beenheering the 15,0. it is amazing. give our folks a hat and we all go crazy. it is a rarkable day. i get sort of a -- i get a can kick today out of the excitement th was engendered by this number. it is a powerful number. and i want your thinking about what this augers for the future, what you're expecting for the remainder of the year. >> well, the stock market is an important indicator because it says something about business confidence and expectation. and as the stock maret goes up, this feeds on itself when businesses tell us they're more confident and we're startingo see signs of that now. from the sandpoint of the

american consumer, most people aren't in the stock market. those that are certainly feel wealthier and what's good about this is that it is not just the stock market that is going up, it is real estate that is recovering. you had a report today, the year on year house prices are up over 10%. so, you know, iis not just -- it is not just the moreaffluent who are participating in this wealth recovery. it is a broad part of the population. and this flows through to consumer spending, the companies are starting to seet and that's one reason why the market keeps going up. >> good news. and, by the way, you look great in that hat. it looks pretty good on you too. thanks so much. maury harris, we appreciate it. the gang of eight's immigration plan faces lots of opponents. we point out three of the most important in the chalk talk. welcome to the new buffalo... where new york state is investing one billion dollars to attract and grow business. where companies like geico are investing

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about foreign policy, but it is a big week for immigration reform. the senate judiciary committee will begin its debate of amendments to the gang of eight immigration bill, this thursday. and one thing's certain, it is going to be dramatic. republan senator marco rubio, he is the face of the gang of eight. it is really quite rerkable that he became the face of a bipartisan democratically led effort, but there it is. buthese are the faces of the opposition, the gangbusters, if you will. demint is number one on that list because he's t president of the heritage foundation and today the heritage foundation and senior research fellow robert rector put out a study that illegalizing 11 million illegal immigrants will cost taxpayers a net .3 trillion.

i mean, that's over the cong deca decade. 6.3, that's the net number. why, according to heritage, the typical, typical illegal immigrant household right now is receiving right now $14,000 a year and more in government benefits than it pays in taxes. but that could jump by their estimate to $30,000 if the gang of eight plan becomes law. more than double and heritage is a force to be reckoned with. back in 2007, the last time congress debatedo-called immigration rerm, heritage produced a report on -- an analysis of that plan finding that amnesty wld cost xpayers at least $2.6 trillion. $2.6 trillion. those are the good old days. less than half of what they project as the cost over t seve.

and so there is going to be great weight given to the study. and, by the way, they'll create opposition. the club for growth and americans for tax reform, two conservative outfits, already jumping into criticize the heritage study, but heritage usually wins these intermural conservative battles. and this is congressman goodlatt chairman of te house judiciary committe democrats are in a rush to pass -pthat massi 844-page gang of eight bill that some, many in fact, are drawing comparisons to the congressional cram down of obama care, you remember that, which is clearly not an example of good government practice. but goodlatte is taking an incremental and sensible approach to legislation in his view. he's introduced two smaller measures, important, but smaller measures, and manageable. one, an agricultural guest

worker program. i'll call that a gw program. the other would be the e-verify system, which requires employers to verify through the government's system of e-verify whether or not a perspective employee is legal and qualified for that job. goodlatte says he will introduce other measures, by the way, in the weeks ahead. he is the incrementalist, if you will, and the careful thoughtful apprch in contrast to what others would call a cram down effort on the part of the president. republican senator jeff sessions of alabama, he's the ranking republican on the senate budget committee, he's quickly emergin as the bill's most vocal cric, he says the path to citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants is pure bull. he has an impressive amount of research to support his position. according to sessions, and the

staf theepublican staff, the gang of eight plan wouldn't give legal status to 11 million, but to more than 32 million immigrant immigrants. 32 million immigrants and additional 25 million visas in his judgment, that's 25 million, let me dohis -- i hte to are to erase, because i'm so neat usually. okay. i was kiddg about bng neat. visas. 25 milli them would be granted in his view to nonimmigrant -- nonimmigrants and now know senator rubio's feeling the heat because of the mounting opposition to the gang of eight plan. by the way, he is starting, rubio, the face of the gang of eight, to say why rush? why not think this out? why not make sensible judgments? the question n to all o this

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wired magazine called my next guest one ofhe most, well, 15 most dangerous peop the world. this weekend he successfully fired a handgun. a handgun that he created on a home 3-d printer. senator chuck schumer describes the technology as stomach turning. joining us now is the co-founder of defense distributed, cody wilson. cody, good to have you on the show and congratulations on a

successful completion of your goal, which was the creation of this handgun. how long did it take you to do this? >> the design? the one you saw in the video was only four weeks in the making. literally the bulk of the time and money spent was getting through regulatory compliance and waiting for the licenses to come through. >> i've read among the magazines that covered this that your view is ovcompliance when it comes to building is gun. do you feel that your progress has been impeded in any way by regulators? >> no question, man. easily half my budget has gone into talking to lawyers and complying with laws. sure, sure. total burden getting this done according to thelaws. there are so many laws. not just gun laws, arms export control, tax laws, state, federal, all that stuff. >> and the result is you've done something that most people said is impossible to create a

plastic gun on a 3-d printer that fired successfully your first round was a 380, correct? >> that's corre. and i think they just thought it was impossible because they weren't trying, lou. it really wasn't that difficult in the end. >> as you know, you are considered a revolutiary because in the minds of many, senator schur d others, because they actually got to outlaw such a gun and use of a 3-d printer because in thei view, you have just made it possible for every human being onhe planet to go to a printer and come back with being an armed citizen are revolutionary depending on your perspective, i suppose. >> they suffered quite a serious symbolic setback, haven't they? >> i like that. symbolic setback. >> that's all it is. schumer presser was a symbolic response. i should say somewhat lame. i read the text of his bill. it doesn't stop me. >> and why not? >> because it is -- the current

undetectible firearms act exempts mufacturers, which i am. >> and i've noticed you say that with great pre. what principle here -- wh is your motivation in creating the 3-d printed gun? >> i'll tell you, man, my motivation is that political symbolic motivation. i want to put in as neat and beautiful package as i can to them that their feelings of control, the sense that they have of a corner on history is nothing but illusion, nothing but a pantomime and that they'll socially administer society into the future forever and ever is collapsing in spectacular fashion. >> well, you're certainly advancing the view that that could be happeng much sooner than anyone anticipated. describe yr politics. are you a libertarian? an anarchist? a republican? a democrat? what are you? give yourself a label.

>> mr. dobbs, i'm not a voter. i don't belong to a party. you can call me anarchist. i am sympathetic with the traditional school of anarchist thought. >> and that view, which is to assert really individual freedom, that would be the ultimate extension of that. it is not entirely, well, dissident with american exaltation of self-reliae and independence, is it? >> i think the american experience and eeriment at the very beginning, this intentional community found itlf on the shore of some strange land was a kind of anarchic experiment. the american hostility to centralizeower is a theme through all americ history. >> where do you go next? cody, we're out of time. ere do you go next with this amazing accomplishment? >> we will, of course, mmke it better, we'll tweak it. to software. we don't like intellectual property here. we would like to atck that

next. >> and by the way, we just learned that a number of retailers are going to be moving those 3-d printers in at a price point of about $1400. so this is going to get extraordinarily interesting very, very soon. cody wilson, thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. >> a pleasure. thank you. the next warren buffett, bill gates, harvard business school professor rob caplan gives us the secre of success in his new book, what you're really meant to do. welcome to the new buffalo... where new york state is investing one billion dollars to attract angrow business. where companies like geico are investing in technology & finance. welcome to the state wre cutting taxes for business... is our business. welcome to the new buffalo. weome to the new buffalo. welcome to the new buffalo. new york state is throwing out the old rule book to give your business a new edge, the edge you can only get in new york state. torow our start your business, visit thenewny.com

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to change our definition of success to reach our potential and have a fulfilling career in life. joining us now is harvard business school professor rob kaplan, author of this new book "what you're really meant to do: a road map foreaching you'renique potential." it is great to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> lete say, professor,

because i think it i inappropriate to call you rob when we're talking business. we're talking business. the idea of finding potential, i was on seventh avenue today, i was looking at some people there, selling their wares as they do, and i flash back to when i was a sophomore at harvard, my second time in new york, and i was trying to figure out what in the world i was going to do. i found it intimidating even today to look out and the sea of opportunity and jobs. how do you find that potential? >> what i try to help people do in my whole career when i manage people, it was to try to first start with understanding your strengthand weaknesses, understand your passions, and then match em, do some homework on jobs out there, and figure out which jobs are a good fit. that all sounds very simple. but most people struggle to do one or more of those things. >> as you look at the road map, as rip cab laob kaplan puts it,

reaching your potential, it is simple in terms of your career, on wall street, you're measured by your money and the feedback is pretty straightforwardisn't it? >> no. i used to give this talk -- this book came out in talk, i used to give to all the young people at my firm. i still hav't met business person yet who doesn't become successful over a period of time by adding value to a customer or a client. you've got to add value. you've got to build distinctive competencies, you've got to be great at certain things. you can make money for a year or two if you're not, but not over sustainable period of time. and that's certainly true of wall street, and when wall stet got in trouble, it is because they got away om that. but it is true of everyone out there. what i'm trying to say to people is rather than listen to what your friends are doing or peer pressure, figure out what you're good at, what you're interested in and match it to jobs and add value and i think money will follow. >> and that's funny. one of the expressions i use almostvery day in this crowd

is talking wth my colleagues, make sure we're adding value to the air. and that is good advice -- i think pretty good idea. rob kaplan's book is "what you're really meant to do." it is available in bookstores and online now. it is highly ranked on amazon and doing terrific. we're going to continue to flog this book mercilessly in the eks ahead. get the links at loudobbs.com. best of luck with the book. political dynamo, just a few of the words used describe the founder and the leader of fox news. now a new biography, roger ales, off welcome to the new buffalo... whe new york state is vesting one billion dollars to attract and grow business. where companies like geico are investing in technology & finance. welcome to the state where cutting taxes for business... is our business.

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lou: roger ailes off camera, a fascinating fascinating new book about the president of fox news and our boss here, a man president obama once called the most powerful man in america. we agree with president obama on this, uncharacteristically. joining me now, author zev chafets. great to have you here. congratulatis on the book. >> thk you. >> and i want to start with just, you know, calling roger ailes the most powerful man in america, that's stou stuff. how close to true is it? >> well, you know, this came up when roger went to the white house, to the christmas party, and he was in the reception line. and just the day before somebody else had called him that in print and so when he got to the president, obama said, oh, so you're the most powerful man in america? and roger leaned in to him and said, mr. president, dot believe that.

i stood that bs up myself. >> it is characteristic of roger too, to deflect and to be self-deprecating. he is -- i had the privilege of working for a long time in this business. there is no more feared executive in television news. i would sayn television, period. and certainly in the news media than roger ailes. he's feared. and he's respected. give us a sense of th character that he reveals, you know, as you take on his biography. >> well, i spent cle to a year with him. in meetings traveling, you know, social situations, and, you know, i was just very surpriseby how down to earth he is. he's a guy from a small town in ohio, and he's very sophisticated, obviously, but he

became a kind of a blunt attitude of small town america which i relate to because i grew up in a town pretty much like his, pontiac, michigan. he's from warren, ohio. and that's the way we talked back then. > between the two of you, whh is the sophisticated one then, i can ask you that? idaho, the sticks.r rupert >> you've been around a lot of smart, highly successful amazing persalities. rate roger's intellect, his wit. i've never seen anyone, i have to say, the smartest man operating in the business. and i only say that, of course,

because he's my boss, but i mean, he really is. he's extraordinary. >> he's done extraordina things. no question about that. fox news is an accomplishment. before that, cnbc. and before that, he was an adviser to three presidents. >> and what became -- >> and before that he was sort of a legendy boy producer. so it is hard to argue with his success. however else you want look at roger ailes, he's a man who succeeded at everything he tried. >> and the idea that he has this wit, referring to the fellow who runs msnbc, i saw one line in an account this week, his wit is so razor sharp and can encapsulate bigger thoughts and stories very succinctly, referring to that person as being successful only because he was in another man's wedding party. i mean, that's about as convincing and damming as you can be. >> yeah you get one liners from

roger sometimes, self-deprecating, sometis rather disparagin but usually you survive. >> we thank you for being here. the book is "roger ailes, off camera." and zev chafets, the author. thank you for ing here. come back. >> thank you. president john f. kennedy, an addict and more. the shocking story of ththe docr who hooked the president in camelot on ddugs. camelot on ddugs. the authors of the new book [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.

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shocking new revelations about president john f. kennedy's famous first debat with richard nixon and a whole lot more about camelot. my next guest say jfk was energized because of methamphetamines from an infamous doctor who actually laid the foundation for

methamphetamine and the drug culture in this country in large measure, so they contend. joining us now are the authors, richard lertzman and william birnes, auuhors of the bra-new book "dr. feelgood." i want to read the whole subtitle when a subtie is this long, there is a reason for it. the shocking story of the doctor who may have changed history by treating and drdrugging jfk, marilyn, elvis and other prominent figures. gentlemen, thanks and congratulations. >> thank you. >> let me start with this. the book starts out, your resear and pulling it all together, some time ago, to be about robert cummings, a well known popular actor who didn't fit any part of what befell him. tell us what happened, how it became aut jfk very quickly, if you can. >> cummings was a great actor, known as a health fanatic. in our research, through art linkletter and dwayne hickman we found out that cummings was a

methamphetamine addict and destroyed his life. >> and destroyed his life and you conducted interviews from 2004, 5, on to last year. you talked to george clooney, jerry lewis, yogi ber, all about drmax jacobson's patients. the idea that the president, everyone sensed there was something wrong, painkillers, that sort of thing, but to be injected and as you point out one -- before the debate, i don't want to giveaway too much, but to be injected with thamphetamines may have actually changed his performance in the first debate with richard nixon. >> well, remember, nixon was ahead of kennedy in the polls, going into that first debate. and people saw kennedy -- >> by the way, i have toell you the truth, i had forgotten that until i read it in t book. >> he was ahead in the polls. he was considered a lot of

gravitas and not only did kennedy get a shot of this methamphetamine formula, that gave him energy when he could -- he was bely walking, he was so tired, he was so fatigued, he had no voice left, and nixon was also suffering from a malady, he had bum pd his knee, he had an infected knee. kennedy tricked him into not putting makeup on, walks in like a gymnast, and the polls shifted th night, kennedy was ahead in the polls after that debate and stayed ahead through thwhole course of the campaign. >> let's go to the -- to milyn monroe. mickey mantle, to have all of these popular, cultural icons volved in this, and this guy, a german immigrant, dr dr. jacobson, injecting all of these people. the web that reaches out across hollywood, t washington, it is

extraordinary. >> hreally reached out and really changed our society. and he staid under the radar the entire time. i mean, he tated leonard bernstein, he treated anthony quinn. his office was a new york's who's who starting at0:00 at night until 4:00 in the morning, you could see truman capote and tennessee williams, the gift was a methamphetamine shot to everyone who staystayed. it was a who's who of new york, hollywood, the world. >> you assert this was the foundation of the drug culture of this country. >> absolutely. methamphetamines were legal in 1960. and it wasnly after the jacobson expose in the 1970s that we started the bureau of narcotics and dangerous drugs, the drug war began, and it was in large measure because of jacobson. >> we're going to have to leave it there. this book, we recommend to you highly and it is on our website,

loobbs.com. richard lertzman, willi birnes, thank you, both. >> thank you very much. >> good luck with the book. it is on sale at bookstores near you and on the web, of course. that's it for . >> absolutely fantastic. we will see you again. >> are you ready colonel? >> does america still have a true gt? space some why is tang a risk becoming illegal? and the that upsets the cowboy libertarian the idea you will retaliate can ban somethg is crazy. >> should this behavior be banned? it is time to toughen up this is it. >> these perdu engineers offended people because they are al white. is that offensive? at least some americans